senator reid in 2005 was rallying against and so was a then senator obama. there's enough to go around on both sides. at the end of the day, look, if we're going to examine the issue, examine parts of it, whether we should be arguing this out in the public, you don't do away with an entire filibuster. be done with it though. >> you make a good point about the polarization. the assumption was you'd have overlapping interests. sometimes people would vote by party. other by geography and other by rural versus urban or north versus south but they would overlap. so you would never get -- you can't look and say you got 60. 60 would show up in different formulations. parties have become the dominant. when a party that was of course just the segregationist democrats hanging out with the republicans, when we come back, we'll talk more about this. you know, it really is my sense that progressives keep talking about this. but i think it's about power. i like when progressives are interested in power. many of my patients clean their dentures with toothpaste. i tell them